The Specific Issue at Hand
While sadly not a new problem (as fetal cell lines have been used in the making of vaccines and other products, even in cosmetics creation and food testing for years), it is a problem that has taken on a new level of heat due to their more widely known attachment to the already controversial Covid-19 vaccines.
Getting to the Root
But the root question we need to answer is this: Why does it matter if, why, or how we use dead people’s bodies for anything? Now if that question seems somewhat gross or crass in and of itself I believe that is a good thing. I’ll get to why shortly. But other questions must also be answered. Does it matter how one obtains the dead body? Does it matter how the person came to be dead? Does it matter if the person gave permission to use their body after death, in certain ways, prior to their death? Are there any absolute ways one must not use dead bodies? Or is it all fair game once the person dies? Lots of important questions.
While sadly not a new problem (as fetal cell lines have been used in the making of vaccines and other products, even in cosmetics creation and food testing for years), it is a problem that has taken on a new level of heat due to their more widely known attachment to the already controversial Covid-19 vaccines.
Getting to the Root
But the root question we need to answer is this: Why does it matter if, why, or how we use dead people’s bodies for anything? Now if that question seems somewhat gross or crass in and of itself I believe that is a good thing. I’ll get to why shortly. But other questions must also be answered. Does it matter how one obtains the dead body? Does it matter how the person came to be dead? Does it matter if the person gave permission to use their body after death, in certain ways, prior to their death? Are there any absolute ways one must not use dead bodies? Or is it all fair game once the person dies? Lots of important questions.
What Does the Bible Say and Teach?
Let’s get back to basic grossness or “ick factor” in this whole topic. This is especially relevant to Christians. I say that because as a Christian you submit to God’s word, the Bible, as the sole source of perfect truth from our perfect and Holy God. In short, we have an unmoving eternal foundation for our morality. The non believer does not.
However, if you’re reading this as someone who is not a Christian there is still an explanation of the ick you may feel talking about using dead bodies for something. That is because whether you believe it or not, you were created in the image and likeness of God (Gen. 1:26) and you have a God given conscience with His laws written on your heart (Rom. 2:15). That matters.
Now, I wish I could just give you a verse or two right out of the new testament, like Romans or something that blatantly said something clear like, “Thou shalt not use dead bodies for any purpose but to bury them.” Rom. 17:1 (Don’t go look, that’s not a verse!)
I also believe it would be pure eisegesis to try to take old testament ceremonial laws for the Jews regarding touching dead bodies and being unclean, and saying therefore experimenting on dead bodies now is sin. Being unclean is not and was not a direct correlation to being in sin. So, how should we address the issues?
Of course as Christians we must let scripture guide us. Just because we do not have a definite command or commands regarding the use of dead bodies like this, like many situations, the Bible does give us good insight into how we should move forward.
I believe we could expand this with many Bible verses, but I believe we can extrapolate plenty of truth from some key verses to suffice. First let’s go back to Genesis.
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion…” Gen. 1:26
Human beings are created in the image and share the likeness of God. Now, that is to say we are reflections of God. Shallow and even polluted and broken reflections. But nonetheless, we bear His image in that we have a soul that will last eternally (into eternity from our conception not from eternity past), our ability to relate with other image bearers, in that we have volition and will, and that we are second tier creators, all of this ties in with our mandate to have dominion over the earth as His vice regents for His glory. There is more to it and none of us will truly comprehend the totality of it this side of eternity or maybe not even on the other side. But like God is holy and unique, we are unique and can be made holy by Him. Only humanity in all His creation bears His image. We are special.
It is pretty clear that while the image we bear is foundationally immaterial, it is not immaterial in totality. Our bodies are part of that image and are part of our eternal person. Jesus Christ took on flesh, and when He died and rose again He did not abandon His body, rather it was glorified when He became the first fruits of those resurrected to glory. And one day Christians who are alive when He calls us to Himself eternally will be glorified. Also those who have died beforehand will be raised from the graves to be glorified with their spirit that has been waiting in heaven until that time. We won’t be complete until spirit and body are united in glory just as Christ’s was! This is spoken much of in 1 Corinthians 15, but let me give a few summary verses here for clarity.
“But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.”
1 Cor. 15:20
“Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.” 1 Cor. 15:51-52
So, I think it’s been clearly established that we will be eternally glorified in our physical body. But from scripture, can we ascertain how those bodies are to be treated in the interim between death and glorification? I believe we can.
The Universal Understanding of the Dignity of the Dead
You see, the dignity and solemnity of the human body and it’s care after death is almost universally understood. It is shared across cultural lines with or without believing in the one true God of the Bible. He has imprinted on our consciences the dignity of the dead. We see this from as far back as Genesis and the burials of the patriarchs and their wives. Also we see the great care shown for our Lord Jesus Christ’s body after His finished work on Calvary. Even the wicked Sanhedrin bought a field for burying the unclaimed and undesirable dead!
From weeping patriarchs, mothers, Apostles, and pagans, we see the dead remembered, honored, and as the term is known, “laid to rest” or to “rest in peace”.
Here’s one other extra biblical, but not unbiblical aspect of care for the dead. In the U.S. and most other countries, whether formally or informally, restrictions on what can be done to a dead person are seriously observed. Severe legal penalties can and are expected to be levied against abusers of the dead. This is one more indicator of the image bearing aspects of all humans and their axiomatic if not definable understanding of why there is honor for the dead. It is also sadly another defining distinction between the born and preborn. The treatment of the preborn shows the total lack of equal protection and equal justice in both life and death.
Let’s get back to basic grossness or “ick factor” in this whole topic. This is especially relevant to Christians. I say that because as a Christian you submit to God’s word, the Bible, as the sole source of perfect truth from our perfect and Holy God. In short, we have an unmoving eternal foundation for our morality. The non believer does not.
However, if you’re reading this as someone who is not a Christian there is still an explanation of the ick you may feel talking about using dead bodies for something. That is because whether you believe it or not, you were created in the image and likeness of God (Gen. 1:26) and you have a God given conscience with His laws written on your heart (Rom. 2:15). That matters.
Now, I wish I could just give you a verse or two right out of the new testament, like Romans or something that blatantly said something clear like, “Thou shalt not use dead bodies for any purpose but to bury them.” Rom. 17:1 (Don’t go look, that’s not a verse!)
I also believe it would be pure eisegesis to try to take old testament ceremonial laws for the Jews regarding touching dead bodies and being unclean, and saying therefore experimenting on dead bodies now is sin. Being unclean is not and was not a direct correlation to being in sin. So, how should we address the issues?
Of course as Christians we must let scripture guide us. Just because we do not have a definite command or commands regarding the use of dead bodies like this, like many situations, the Bible does give us good insight into how we should move forward.
I believe we could expand this with many Bible verses, but I believe we can extrapolate plenty of truth from some key verses to suffice. First let’s go back to Genesis.
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion…” Gen. 1:26
Human beings are created in the image and share the likeness of God. Now, that is to say we are reflections of God. Shallow and even polluted and broken reflections. But nonetheless, we bear His image in that we have a soul that will last eternally (into eternity from our conception not from eternity past), our ability to relate with other image bearers, in that we have volition and will, and that we are second tier creators, all of this ties in with our mandate to have dominion over the earth as His vice regents for His glory. There is more to it and none of us will truly comprehend the totality of it this side of eternity or maybe not even on the other side. But like God is holy and unique, we are unique and can be made holy by Him. Only humanity in all His creation bears His image. We are special.
It is pretty clear that while the image we bear is foundationally immaterial, it is not immaterial in totality. Our bodies are part of that image and are part of our eternal person. Jesus Christ took on flesh, and when He died and rose again He did not abandon His body, rather it was glorified when He became the first fruits of those resurrected to glory. And one day Christians who are alive when He calls us to Himself eternally will be glorified. Also those who have died beforehand will be raised from the graves to be glorified with their spirit that has been waiting in heaven until that time. We won’t be complete until spirit and body are united in glory just as Christ’s was! This is spoken much of in 1 Corinthians 15, but let me give a few summary verses here for clarity.
“But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.”
1 Cor. 15:20
“Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.” 1 Cor. 15:51-52
So, I think it’s been clearly established that we will be eternally glorified in our physical body. But from scripture, can we ascertain how those bodies are to be treated in the interim between death and glorification? I believe we can.
The Universal Understanding of the Dignity of the Dead
You see, the dignity and solemnity of the human body and it’s care after death is almost universally understood. It is shared across cultural lines with or without believing in the one true God of the Bible. He has imprinted on our consciences the dignity of the dead. We see this from as far back as Genesis and the burials of the patriarchs and their wives. Also we see the great care shown for our Lord Jesus Christ’s body after His finished work on Calvary. Even the wicked Sanhedrin bought a field for burying the unclaimed and undesirable dead!
From weeping patriarchs, mothers, Apostles, and pagans, we see the dead remembered, honored, and as the term is known, “laid to rest” or to “rest in peace”.
Here’s one other extra biblical, but not unbiblical aspect of care for the dead. In the U.S. and most other countries, whether formally or informally, restrictions on what can be done to a dead person are seriously observed. Severe legal penalties can and are expected to be levied against abusers of the dead. This is one more indicator of the image bearing aspects of all humans and their axiomatic if not definable understanding of why there is honor for the dead. It is also sadly another defining distinction between the born and preborn. The treatment of the preborn shows the total lack of equal protection and equal justice in both life and death.
Back to Our Questions About Our Use of the Dead
Let’s look at those questions again in order:
I think it would be clearly within the rights of conscience for a Christian to choose that nothing except proper burial of a dead person be the limit of what is acceptable. And as such to have nothing to do with any dead body or parts thereof for any reason. I believe this to be the far extreme on one end.
I also submit that necrophilia and necromancy, as both are clearly attached to other clearly spelled out sins, would be universally accepted as acts no one should take part in for any reason. So that’s a succinct answer for question 4. But before we answer the specifically numbered other questions let’s get some more biblical foundation.
So, in between these two extremes I believe it is safe to say there are areas where conscience or Christian Liberty are allowed. But how do we draw the lines? Let’s look at one important passage.
“If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.” James 2:8-9
So, knowing that James is here referring to the second great commandment of God and also addressing the sin of partiality, we need to answer two questions. First, can we love neighbors who are no longer physically alive? That is a very simple answer. Yes of course we can, and do, and should. So, how can we do that? Let’s answer those questions before we answer the second question we get from this passage in James.
We answered question 4, so let’s go back to question 1 now. Does it matter how we obtain the body? Of course! One easy group of depraved people come to mind. Grave Robbers. Folks who steal bodies from the grave or some simply valuables buried with the body. Both are sinful and unloving things to do. No matter the reason someone steals a body or parts of a body or even items from the dead body, those actions are sinful.
Let’s look at those questions again in order:
- Does it matter how one obtains the dead body?
- Does it matter how the person came to be dead?
- Does it matter if the person gave permission to use their body after death, in certain ways, prior to their death?
- Are there any absolute ways one must not “use” dead bodies? Or is it all fair game once the person dies?
I think it would be clearly within the rights of conscience for a Christian to choose that nothing except proper burial of a dead person be the limit of what is acceptable. And as such to have nothing to do with any dead body or parts thereof for any reason. I believe this to be the far extreme on one end.
I also submit that necrophilia and necromancy, as both are clearly attached to other clearly spelled out sins, would be universally accepted as acts no one should take part in for any reason. So that’s a succinct answer for question 4. But before we answer the specifically numbered other questions let’s get some more biblical foundation.
So, in between these two extremes I believe it is safe to say there are areas where conscience or Christian Liberty are allowed. But how do we draw the lines? Let’s look at one important passage.
“If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.” James 2:8-9
So, knowing that James is here referring to the second great commandment of God and also addressing the sin of partiality, we need to answer two questions. First, can we love neighbors who are no longer physically alive? That is a very simple answer. Yes of course we can, and do, and should. So, how can we do that? Let’s answer those questions before we answer the second question we get from this passage in James.
We answered question 4, so let’s go back to question 1 now. Does it matter how we obtain the body? Of course! One easy group of depraved people come to mind. Grave Robbers. Folks who steal bodies from the grave or some simply valuables buried with the body. Both are sinful and unloving things to do. No matter the reason someone steals a body or parts of a body or even items from the dead body, those actions are sinful.
Now to question 2. Does it matter how the person came to be dead? Yes of course! We have probably all heard of medical nightmare stories where patients were killed for their organs for rich people on donor lists. Often we hear of black market organ selling, often tied to the larger human trafficking market. The sinfulness of these practices are even recognized by non believers. Hence a “Black Market” and not an FDA approved market, regardless of whether or not the actions do actually save the lives of others.
So Let’s Talk About the Importance of Consent
This gets us right to question 3. Does it matter if the person gave permission to use their body after death, in certain ways, prior to their death? In short, does consent matter? Again, yes, of course! Here is where Christian Liberty and conscience have their place. I will even add here that before death, blood and marrow donation or even organ donation fall into these categories. How? Because it is in direct fulfillment of the command to love our neighbors as ourselves. In some cases, an organ donor could save a handful of lives or more depending on how they died and how viable their organs were for those in need.
It is also true that someone might refuse to donate organs, blood, etc. if they knew or strongly believed that to give these to certain people would lead to further hurt rather than love to neighbors. Or simply because they believe the human body should not be dismembered willfully for any reason but to simply be laid to rest in dignity. Which goes back to our one side of extremes.
Yet no matter where you land on these issues, you do so recognizing the essential of loving one’s neighbor and not committing sinful partiality is tied fast to consent.
So Let’s Talk About the Importance of Consent
This gets us right to question 3. Does it matter if the person gave permission to use their body after death, in certain ways, prior to their death? In short, does consent matter? Again, yes, of course! Here is where Christian Liberty and conscience have their place. I will even add here that before death, blood and marrow donation or even organ donation fall into these categories. How? Because it is in direct fulfillment of the command to love our neighbors as ourselves. In some cases, an organ donor could save a handful of lives or more depending on how they died and how viable their organs were for those in need.
It is also true that someone might refuse to donate organs, blood, etc. if they knew or strongly believed that to give these to certain people would lead to further hurt rather than love to neighbors. Or simply because they believe the human body should not be dismembered willfully for any reason but to simply be laid to rest in dignity. Which goes back to our one side of extremes.
Yet no matter where you land on these issues, you do so recognizing the essential of loving one’s neighbor and not committing sinful partiality is tied fast to consent.
Now to Our Second Issue from James, the Sin of Partiality
You probably noticed that everything we just looked at was connected to born people and especially born people who have died. Now we can look at the second area of concern in James 2:9, the sin of partiality.
So, for the second, do we show partiality in how we treat the born and preborn dead? The answer for many is a big, “yes”. We honor and bury the born dead, yet many murder, donate to research, or just relegate to the trash their slaughtered preborn neighbors. And countless others support this depravity in one way, shape, or form.
The born dead are treated with dignity and even protected by law in many cases. The preborn are slaughtered like cattle (actually worse than cattle, cattle aren’t usually tortured like children in the womb) and sold to licensed corporations like StemExpress and Advanced Bioscience Resources, from murder giants like Planned Parenthood. These companies then sell the cultured murdered babies' parts to researchers across the nation, for example, many popular universities. What’s even worse is that the U.S. government funds this research via the NIH(National Institutes of Health), with our tax dollars.
Did you know the American Medical Association even gives guidance in how physicians SHOULD talk to women about donating their murdered baby to scientific research? It’s titled, “Code of Medical Ethics Opinion 7.3.5”. Yes, many women find comfort in donating their murdered baby to science. It helps ease their conscience. They fully approve of doing evil that good may come (Rom. 3:8) yet our blood soaked society calls that evil, good, and to deny the right to do that “good”, evil (Isa. 5:20)! Woe to us and our nation and all others who forget God (Psa. 9:17)!
So, How Does This Apply to Fetal Cell Lines in Vaccines and Elsewhere?
I think most biblically faithful Christians, and even a great many unbelievers, especially those seriously thinking about what is going on, are solidly and even loudly against any use of murdered preborn babies' body parts in anything for any reason. Just as they are against the use of the body parts of nonconsenting born humans, alive or dead.
I believe the case is pretty clear for most anyone without a totally seared conscience. If indeed they’ve taken the time to seriously and even for some prayerfully consider the information here and/or the tons of info. elsewhere, I think they’ll universally reject their use in any way shape or form from here on out.
For the Remaining Dissenters
But maybe not. So, in trying to do my due diligence I’ll look at some specific reasons some are trying to justify their use and then break down those reasons as invalid.
1. Some deny the use of murdered babies' body parts (fetal cells are body parts) in the development, testing, and/or production of the Covid-19 vaccines.
This is simply proven with less than 5 minutes on a search engine. It isn’t being hidden. Pfizer and Moderna used the HEK (Human Embryonic Kidney) 293 cell lines to develop and test their Covid-19 vaccines before production. Here is a link to a page giving plenty of proof and links to source articles to keep you swimming in facts regarding the use of murdered babies’ cell lines for development of the Moderna vaccine.
https://cogforlife.org/2020/11/16/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-facts-not-fiction/
The Pfizer Vaccine is designed much the same as the Moderna one. But here is a link to a page where you can further research their work if you like.
https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
Finally, Johnson and Johnson’s vaccine actually is produced in PER C.6 (Embryonic Retina) cell lines.
Those cell lines were used to actually grow their vaccine in! As an added bonus, if you take that vaccine you actually get very small cell fragments from that murdered baby’s cell line IN you! You can find their info on the same page as above but here is the link again.
https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
So, yes friends, all three U.S. approved vaccines were developed, tested, and/or produced using murdered image bearers body parts. And if you take the J&J version you get their parts in you too!
You probably noticed that everything we just looked at was connected to born people and especially born people who have died. Now we can look at the second area of concern in James 2:9, the sin of partiality.
So, for the second, do we show partiality in how we treat the born and preborn dead? The answer for many is a big, “yes”. We honor and bury the born dead, yet many murder, donate to research, or just relegate to the trash their slaughtered preborn neighbors. And countless others support this depravity in one way, shape, or form.
The born dead are treated with dignity and even protected by law in many cases. The preborn are slaughtered like cattle (actually worse than cattle, cattle aren’t usually tortured like children in the womb) and sold to licensed corporations like StemExpress and Advanced Bioscience Resources, from murder giants like Planned Parenthood. These companies then sell the cultured murdered babies' parts to researchers across the nation, for example, many popular universities. What’s even worse is that the U.S. government funds this research via the NIH(National Institutes of Health), with our tax dollars.
Did you know the American Medical Association even gives guidance in how physicians SHOULD talk to women about donating their murdered baby to scientific research? It’s titled, “Code of Medical Ethics Opinion 7.3.5”. Yes, many women find comfort in donating their murdered baby to science. It helps ease their conscience. They fully approve of doing evil that good may come (Rom. 3:8) yet our blood soaked society calls that evil, good, and to deny the right to do that “good”, evil (Isa. 5:20)! Woe to us and our nation and all others who forget God (Psa. 9:17)!
So, How Does This Apply to Fetal Cell Lines in Vaccines and Elsewhere?
I think most biblically faithful Christians, and even a great many unbelievers, especially those seriously thinking about what is going on, are solidly and even loudly against any use of murdered preborn babies' body parts in anything for any reason. Just as they are against the use of the body parts of nonconsenting born humans, alive or dead.
I believe the case is pretty clear for most anyone without a totally seared conscience. If indeed they’ve taken the time to seriously and even for some prayerfully consider the information here and/or the tons of info. elsewhere, I think they’ll universally reject their use in any way shape or form from here on out.
For the Remaining Dissenters
But maybe not. So, in trying to do my due diligence I’ll look at some specific reasons some are trying to justify their use and then break down those reasons as invalid.
1. Some deny the use of murdered babies' body parts (fetal cells are body parts) in the development, testing, and/or production of the Covid-19 vaccines.
This is simply proven with less than 5 minutes on a search engine. It isn’t being hidden. Pfizer and Moderna used the HEK (Human Embryonic Kidney) 293 cell lines to develop and test their Covid-19 vaccines before production. Here is a link to a page giving plenty of proof and links to source articles to keep you swimming in facts regarding the use of murdered babies’ cell lines for development of the Moderna vaccine.
https://cogforlife.org/2020/11/16/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-facts-not-fiction/
The Pfizer Vaccine is designed much the same as the Moderna one. But here is a link to a page where you can further research their work if you like.
https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
Finally, Johnson and Johnson’s vaccine actually is produced in PER C.6 (Embryonic Retina) cell lines.
Those cell lines were used to actually grow their vaccine in! As an added bonus, if you take that vaccine you actually get very small cell fragments from that murdered baby’s cell line IN you! You can find their info on the same page as above but here is the link again.
https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
So, yes friends, all three U.S. approved vaccines were developed, tested, and/or produced using murdered image bearers body parts. And if you take the J&J version you get their parts in you too!
2. Some say that there is a moral difference between taking the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines as they were not made “in” the actual cell line of the murdered babies, like the J&J one was.
This is ridiculous reasoning. The simple fact is people violated the body of an image bearer of God to accomplish their goal. Now, the use of the cell lines in actual production and actually having particles from their cells in you adds to the “ick factor” for sure. But all three are equally morally evil as all three companies chose to use the cell lines to get their products to market.
It’s like this. Say three guys robbed a bank. One shut down the security. Another cracked the safe and then cleaned it out. The third guy was the getaway driver. It would be like saying the guy who actually took the money from the safe was more guilty than the other two because only he actually took the money out of the bank! All three equally robbed the bank. All are equally guilty.
3. Some people are saying that because the cell lines being used for the vaccines were replicated/cloned outside of the original murdered babies then it is not sinful to use them. Most like to add that this was done decades ago, as if time makes murder less heinous. But let’s address the logical implications of this type of thinking.
So, they believe it is sinful to take the organs directly out of the baby and to extract the cell lines and experiment and create things using those body parts. However, once you replicate/clone the body part one generation outside the body of the murder victim, those parts are fair game.
For example, if Jeffrey Dahmer had been able to clone his favorite murder victims arms and legs for a continual supply of food, these folks may not join him for dinner because it is gross. But they wouldn’t have any legitimate moral argument against the practice. Well unless they are admitted ageists and openly admit born people have more rights than preborn people.
OK, I know that was over the top. The Bible obviously speaks of cannibalism as a heinous evil only those given over to the deepest depravity engage in. So, I’m not saying they’d actually approve of cannibalism!
But surely they’d have no problem using those body parts for “legitimate” medical practices.
Now, some may argue that tissue is a whole other matter than cell lines. I mean sure it’s grosser. But everything is made out of cells. It’s basically a distinction without a difference.
Also, I am not going into full human cloning. That’s a different topic and an argument for another day.
This is ridiculous reasoning. The simple fact is people violated the body of an image bearer of God to accomplish their goal. Now, the use of the cell lines in actual production and actually having particles from their cells in you adds to the “ick factor” for sure. But all three are equally morally evil as all three companies chose to use the cell lines to get their products to market.
It’s like this. Say three guys robbed a bank. One shut down the security. Another cracked the safe and then cleaned it out. The third guy was the getaway driver. It would be like saying the guy who actually took the money from the safe was more guilty than the other two because only he actually took the money out of the bank! All three equally robbed the bank. All are equally guilty.
3. Some people are saying that because the cell lines being used for the vaccines were replicated/cloned outside of the original murdered babies then it is not sinful to use them. Most like to add that this was done decades ago, as if time makes murder less heinous. But let’s address the logical implications of this type of thinking.
So, they believe it is sinful to take the organs directly out of the baby and to extract the cell lines and experiment and create things using those body parts. However, once you replicate/clone the body part one generation outside the body of the murder victim, those parts are fair game.
For example, if Jeffrey Dahmer had been able to clone his favorite murder victims arms and legs for a continual supply of food, these folks may not join him for dinner because it is gross. But they wouldn’t have any legitimate moral argument against the practice. Well unless they are admitted ageists and openly admit born people have more rights than preborn people.
OK, I know that was over the top. The Bible obviously speaks of cannibalism as a heinous evil only those given over to the deepest depravity engage in. So, I’m not saying they’d actually approve of cannibalism!
But surely they’d have no problem using those body parts for “legitimate” medical practices.
Now, some may argue that tissue is a whole other matter than cell lines. I mean sure it’s grosser. But everything is made out of cells. It’s basically a distinction without a difference.
Also, I am not going into full human cloning. That’s a different topic and an argument for another day.
4. Finally, thanks in large part to big time Trump supporter, Pastor Robert Jefress, many are now being misled to believe that there is no moral difference between taking the Covid-19 (Moderna and Pfizer mainly because many don’t want to defend the J&J as it was made in fetal cell lines, ick factor again) vaccines than taking an aspirin, Tylenol, or several OTC drugs, even Ivermectin, etc. as these medications were tested on fetal cell lines at one point.
Now at first glance you may think Jeffress and those like him have a good point. Well let me dispel you of that notion in short order. This is an apples and oranges comparison not apples to apples.
There is a legitimate difference between the Covid-19 vaccines whose researchers inextricably linked their testing to the development of the vaccines to bring them to production and sale.
And researchers using already created medications to test new products. Let me explain with and without an illustration.
Let’s take Aspirin. It was created in 1853. Sold in the U.S. by Bayer starting in 1903. Now, the earliest known fetal research takes place about a half century AFTER 1903! That info alone tells you we are talking apples and oranges.
Obviously Aspirin was not brought into existence and sold using murdered babies’ body parts! All the jabs were!
Listen please friends. To say it is morally equal to take the jab or take an aspirin is preposterous! It’s like saying it’s Henry Ford’s fault for drunk drivers! Or like the leftists like to do, blame manufacturers of guns, like say long dead John Browning for the deaths of people today! Ridiculous!
There is a legitimate difference between the Covid-19 vaccines whose researchers inextricably linked their testing to the development of the vaccines to bring them to production and sale.
And researchers using already created medications to test new products. Let me explain with and without an illustration.
Let’s take Aspirin. It was created in 1853. Sold in the U.S. by Bayer starting in 1903. Now, the earliest known fetal research takes place about a half century AFTER 1903! That info alone tells you we are talking apples and oranges.
Obviously Aspirin was not brought into existence and sold using murdered babies’ body parts! All the jabs were!
Listen please friends. To say it is morally equal to take the jab or take an aspirin is preposterous! It’s like saying it’s Henry Ford’s fault for drunk drivers! Or like the leftists like to do, blame manufacturers of guns, like say long dead John Browning for the deaths of people today! Ridiculous!
Now, let me say something important before leaving this issue. I do believe Big Pharma is a big problem and we should all be trying to distance ourselves from them as much as possible. They don’t have our best interests at heart. More and more nefarious things are taking place with fetal cell lines and who knows what else. So, be watchful.
Also, I am trying to be consistent. If I learn about a company, say Bayer, who decides to make a new product with aspirin and acetaminophen, and they then test it on fetal cell lines and I know about it, I’m not taking that medication. I’ll warn others too. But again, that doesn’t make me complicit with Bayer when I buy and use generic aspirin and acetaminophen.
Remember, once patents are done and meds go generic they aren’t attached to a certain company any more. Many medications like aspirin, acetaminophen, and even ivermectin, are generic meds made by many different companies. And yes those companies may test their versions on fetal cell lines. Do your due diligence to find which ones if you can. But plain and simple, there is no blanket to throw over all these meds like there is to throw over the three Covid-19 vaccines. Apples and oranges friends.
Also, I am trying to be consistent. If I learn about a company, say Bayer, who decides to make a new product with aspirin and acetaminophen, and they then test it on fetal cell lines and I know about it, I’m not taking that medication. I’ll warn others too. But again, that doesn’t make me complicit with Bayer when I buy and use generic aspirin and acetaminophen.
Remember, once patents are done and meds go generic they aren’t attached to a certain company any more. Many medications like aspirin, acetaminophen, and even ivermectin, are generic meds made by many different companies. And yes those companies may test their versions on fetal cell lines. Do your due diligence to find which ones if you can. But plain and simple, there is no blanket to throw over all these meds like there is to throw over the three Covid-19 vaccines. Apples and oranges friends.
Knowledge Matters
This really is a key issue that needs to be addressed as well. Let’s go to James again to say it easy and above all, biblically.
“So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Jam. 4:17
Friends, if we don’t know that we’re doing something wrong (don’t get crazy and go down a rabbit trail here you know what I mean), it’s not a sin. And unlike the creation of countless meds and even food and cosmetics, anyone not living under a proverbial rock, knows all about these vaccines!
As President Trump started up “Project Warp Speed”, to get these jabs going, folks immediately started reporting on the making of these vaccines. What was in them and how they were being made. The controversy was off the charts and has only grown over the last year or so.
Why did the media cover it so widely? Because the left leaning media wanted to expose any hypocrisy from the supposed “Most Pro-Life President ever.”, by showing that vaccines his administration was funding were created using murdered babies’ cell lines in some way shape or form. They did a good job and we all know it. You most likely wouldn’t be reading this if you didn’t know about the issue.
The same media did a good job calling Trump on the hypocrisy of the use of Regeneron due to the same development and testing process for it as for Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines. And that’s why I reject its use as well.
Compounding Factors
Also consider the compounding factors. Everything in product movement is supply and demand. As long as people are willing to take vaccines and other products widely known to be developed, tested, and/or created using murdered babies’s body parts, those who develop those products will continue to use the sadly abundant supply of murdered babies to easily meet their demand.
Again, I try to be consistent. We all should. And the key to consistency is knowledge. Taking these jabs knowing their origins is one level of knowledge that we’re accountable for.
But these jabs, more so than Regeneron or other meds and products, compound one special evil on top of the first. Taking these jabs further solidifies Big Government, Big Pharma, and Big Tech, dictatorial control over the populace. People are losing their livelihoods and many of their freedoms due to the overwhelming majority not willing to oppose the tyrannical mandates attached to these jabs. Their cowed compliance speaks volumes more than their now compromised spoken rejection of the mandates their neighbors are suffering the consequences of refusing. As the old saying goes, “Actions speak louder than words.” And paraphrasing Ben Franklin, those who will trade freedom for safety will soon have neither.
This really is a key issue that needs to be addressed as well. Let’s go to James again to say it easy and above all, biblically.
“So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” Jam. 4:17
Friends, if we don’t know that we’re doing something wrong (don’t get crazy and go down a rabbit trail here you know what I mean), it’s not a sin. And unlike the creation of countless meds and even food and cosmetics, anyone not living under a proverbial rock, knows all about these vaccines!
As President Trump started up “Project Warp Speed”, to get these jabs going, folks immediately started reporting on the making of these vaccines. What was in them and how they were being made. The controversy was off the charts and has only grown over the last year or so.
Why did the media cover it so widely? Because the left leaning media wanted to expose any hypocrisy from the supposed “Most Pro-Life President ever.”, by showing that vaccines his administration was funding were created using murdered babies’ cell lines in some way shape or form. They did a good job and we all know it. You most likely wouldn’t be reading this if you didn’t know about the issue.
The same media did a good job calling Trump on the hypocrisy of the use of Regeneron due to the same development and testing process for it as for Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines. And that’s why I reject its use as well.
Compounding Factors
Also consider the compounding factors. Everything in product movement is supply and demand. As long as people are willing to take vaccines and other products widely known to be developed, tested, and/or created using murdered babies’s body parts, those who develop those products will continue to use the sadly abundant supply of murdered babies to easily meet their demand.
Again, I try to be consistent. We all should. And the key to consistency is knowledge. Taking these jabs knowing their origins is one level of knowledge that we’re accountable for.
But these jabs, more so than Regeneron or other meds and products, compound one special evil on top of the first. Taking these jabs further solidifies Big Government, Big Pharma, and Big Tech, dictatorial control over the populace. People are losing their livelihoods and many of their freedoms due to the overwhelming majority not willing to oppose the tyrannical mandates attached to these jabs. Their cowed compliance speaks volumes more than their now compromised spoken rejection of the mandates their neighbors are suffering the consequences of refusing. As the old saying goes, “Actions speak louder than words.” And paraphrasing Ben Franklin, those who will trade freedom for safety will soon have neither.
And friends, I’m not even going to get started on all kinds of other controversial medical tragedies attached to these things. And believe me those are really concerning issues to me as well. But they are a distant consideration to the moral corruption attached to the making of these jabs. And that is followed by the morally corrupt mandating of them and threatening and harming those of us who refuse.
I tell you the truth. If these jabs cured every disease, and delivered a guaranteed extra ten years on my life I would still flat out reject them! And so should every Christian.
Finally
So remember friends, the current three U.S. Covid-19 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J) are all inextricably tied to and tainted by the murder of preborn image bearers of God. Further, they are currently linked to tyrannical government overreach threatening and even already wrecking the livelihoods of many. And much more wickedness is coming save for the mercy and grace of God!
If you have rejected the jabs, stand firm in faithful prayer and obedience to God day by day. Be a voice and help for those in need. Support the weak and join the strong in the fight.
If you’ve already taken the jab, repent. Confess you were wrong and get out of the cycle of boosters already rolling out. Join us in the fight against tyranny in all its forms in this current mess. God bless you if you do!
The Nuclear Option
This ties back to the supply and demand issue. And if we do this we will quite literally nuke the whole fetal development wickedness. It is simple. We demand equal justice and equal protection for the preborn by demanding the abolition and criminalization of the scourge of abortion that has taken tens of millions of lives in our country alone since Roe v. Wade in 1973!
With no more supply of new murdered babies for the wide variety of wicked research going on today (Check my CORE Issues podcast to get grossed out with some of that facebook.com/CoreIssuesPodcast) and those established cell lines laid to rest in dignity as well, and God may actually turn and bless America! Oh Lord grant us great grace and revival for your glory, saved souls, and saved babies! Amen!
I tell you the truth. If these jabs cured every disease, and delivered a guaranteed extra ten years on my life I would still flat out reject them! And so should every Christian.
Finally
So remember friends, the current three U.S. Covid-19 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J) are all inextricably tied to and tainted by the murder of preborn image bearers of God. Further, they are currently linked to tyrannical government overreach threatening and even already wrecking the livelihoods of many. And much more wickedness is coming save for the mercy and grace of God!
If you have rejected the jabs, stand firm in faithful prayer and obedience to God day by day. Be a voice and help for those in need. Support the weak and join the strong in the fight.
If you’ve already taken the jab, repent. Confess you were wrong and get out of the cycle of boosters already rolling out. Join us in the fight against tyranny in all its forms in this current mess. God bless you if you do!
The Nuclear Option
This ties back to the supply and demand issue. And if we do this we will quite literally nuke the whole fetal development wickedness. It is simple. We demand equal justice and equal protection for the preborn by demanding the abolition and criminalization of the scourge of abortion that has taken tens of millions of lives in our country alone since Roe v. Wade in 1973!
With no more supply of new murdered babies for the wide variety of wicked research going on today (Check my CORE Issues podcast to get grossed out with some of that facebook.com/CoreIssuesPodcast) and those established cell lines laid to rest in dignity as well, and God may actually turn and bless America! Oh Lord grant us great grace and revival for your glory, saved souls, and saved babies! Amen!
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